Agenda and draft minutes

Agenda and draft minutes

Venue: Council Chamber, County Hall, Ruthin LL15 1YN


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Members to declare any personal or prejudicial interests in any business identified to be considered at this meeting.

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Councillor Tony Flynn declared a personal interest in Item 6, East Rhyl Coastal Defence Scheme, as he owns 2 commercial properties and 3 residential properties in the centre of Rhyl.




Notice of items which, in the opinion of the Chair, should be considered at the meeting as a matter of urgency pursuant to Section 100B(4) of the Local Government Act, 1972.

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No urgent matters.


At this juncture, Members were informed a question would be put forward as follows:-


Councillor Mabon ap Gwynfor raised the following question:


“Three County Councils in Wales are planning to de-invest (divest) their pensions scheme from fossil fuel-related companies.  As part of the Welsh and Council plans here to tackle climate change, what plans does the Cabinet have for the Clwyd Pension Scheme to de-invest from fossil fuel Companies”?


Response by the Lead Member for Finance, Performance and Strategic Assets, Councillor Julian Thompson-Hill:


“Denbighshire County Council as a standalone body would be too small to run our own pension scheme.  As such, we are a member of the Clwyd Pension Fund which is made up of ourselves, Wrexham, Flintshire (who administers the scheme) and a number of other smaller Town & Community Councils together with a few other administrative bodies.  As such, we are part of the Committee, however, we can influence the direction of the Committee.


We have a member on the Committee who oversees the pension fund, Councillor Huw Jones, who is unwell at the moment, but I know he plays a full and active role in that Committee.


The Clwyd Pension Fund has an investment strategy and that essentially says subject to the duty it has in order to ensure that current and future pensioner liabilities are actually met that they will make selective investments in environmental areas, things like clean technology and energy, environmental infrastructure, forestry and things along those lines.


The Policy is reviewed on a continuous basis and in the process of going through a review structure at the moment and the Funds Investment Consultants are considering how they can incorporate climate change risks within the revised strategy whilst achieving what it has to do in terms of duty to pensioners.


Currently, approximately 1.2% of the fund is invested in fossil fuels, which is a comparatively small element of the overall investments.  It is not something we can directly control as it is not directly under our remit, but we will continue to influence that through the management structure in place. 


They do attend Corporate Governance Committee on a semi-regular basis, so we can address through that process. 


That is the legal position but the first call is to address the producer duty to meet our liabilities to current and future pensioners”.





To note the civic engagements undertaken by the Chairman of the Council (copy attached).


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A list of civic engagements undertaken by the Chair and Vice-Chair for the period 6 June 2019 to 17 August 2019 had been circulated prior to the meeting.


RESOLVED that the list of civic engagements undertaken by the Chair and Vice-Chair be received.



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To receive the minutes of the meeting of County Council held on 2 July 2019 (copy attached).


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The minutes of Full Council held on 2 July 2019 were submitted.


Matters Arising:


Page 8 (item 6 (i)) – Councillor Mabon ap Gwynfor expressed his disappointment that there was not more assistance available to small Community Councils.


Page 9 – (item 6 (ii)) – Councillor Glenn Swingler queried the update given on progress of the second band of the 21st Century Schools Programme.


Councillor Huw Hilditch-Roberts clarified the position that scoping was going ahead but had to be presented to various Committee prior to being presented at Full Council.


Page 10 – Notice of Motion – Councillor Graham Timms requested an update.


The Head of Legal, HR and Democratic Services confirmed that the membership of the Working Group had been agreed by the political groups. There was a potential date for the initial meeting of 19 September 2019 but he would contact all members on the Group prior to that date to confirm.


Councillor Brian Jones expressed his disappointment at the fact that one of the Members who had put forward the Notice of Motion had refused his seat on the Working Group.


Page 16 – (item 12) – the Head of Legal, HR and Democratic Services advised Full Council that unfortunately neither the Chair or Vice-Chair of the Corporate Governance Committee were available to present the report, and therefore, it would be deferred to the Full Council meeting taking place on 15 October 2019.


Page 17 – (item 14) Councillor Rhys Thomas raised the issue of the Implementation of Alternative Delivery Model (ADM) for various leisure related functions and activities being moved on the Forward Work Programme from the September meeting to the 15 October meeting.


The Head of Legal, HR and Democratic Services clarified that it was a sequencing issue and the item had to be presented at Cabinet first on 24 September and then to Full Council in October.


RESOLVED that, subject to the above, the minutes of Full Council held on 2 July 2019 be confirmed as a correct record and signed by the Chair.





To consider a report by the Flood Risk Engineer (copy attached) on the proposal for a coastal defence scheme in east Rhyl.


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The Lead Member for Waste, Transport and the Environment introduced the East Rhyl Coastal Defence Scheme report (previously circulated) to inform members about a proposed coastal defence scheme in East Rhyl, which would provide an appropriate standard of flood protection for around 1,650 properties.


It was stated that the likelihood of severe flooding was more acute at East Rhyl than any other location in Denbighshire.  An investigation into the 2013 floods showed that properties could be flooded during a 1 in 20 year event. 


The East Rhyl Coastal Defence Scheme was the Council’s highest priority coastal defence scheme.  The cost of the project was estimated at £27.5million.


The scheme was to be funded utilising the Local Government Borrowing Initiative model.  The grant rate for coastal defence works was 75%, therefore, the project would be entirely funded by the Council, with 75% of the costs refunded by the Welsh Government (WG) over a 25 year period through the Revenue Support Grant.  Due to the size of the scheme, the Council would probably have to borrow the majority of the funding, although there was £2m of general funding currently earmarked for the scheme.


WG would not consider requests for an increase in the grant where costs had increased above the grant approved sum.  In order to achieve adequate cost certainty for the East Rhyl scheme, it was decided to procure the design and construction phases of the scheme using the Scape Public Sector Procurement Framework.  In August 2016, a delivery agreement was made with the Framework Partner, Balfour Beatty.  As a result of the early contractor involvement, there was confidence that the scheme could be carried through to completion within the current cost estimate. 


The Scape Framework supported the use of local supply chains.  This was controlled through a “Supply Chain Charter” and assessed against Key Performance Indicators (KPI’s).  For example, a minimum of 40% of the project expenditure should be within a 20 mile radius and 75% within a 40 mile radius.  Balfour Beatty had engaged extensively with local sub-contractors and suppliers, only looking further afield when resources were not locally available or could not provide value for money.


The scheme had previously been considered and supported by the Corporate Executive Team, Strategic Investment Group and Cabinet together with public drop in sessions which had been held in October and November 2018. 


The most significant risk associated with the project was that the terms of the WG loan would result in a long term revenue burden for the Council (25 years).


The proposed scheme involved the placement of 128,000 tonnes of rock armour in front of the existing sea defences as well as 600 metres of new sea defence wall and promenade.  Three improved beach access points would also be provided.   It was proposed that the construction would commence in April 2020 and be completed by December 2022.


In-depth discussions took place and the following points were raised:

·         Concerns were raised regarding the length of the loan and possible increase in  ...  view the full minutes text for item 6.



To consider a report by the Head of Legal, HR and Democratic Services (copy attached) about the work of the Corporate Governance Committee for the municipal year 2018/2019.


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Due to neither the Chair nor Vice-Chair being able to attend Full Council, it was agreed to defer the Corporate Governance Annual Report to the 15 October 2019 Council meeting.


RESOLVED that the Annual Report of the Corporate Governance Committee be deferred until 15 October 2019 meeting.




To consider the Council’s forward work programme (copy attached).

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The Head of Legal, HR and Democratic Services introduced the Council’s Forward Work Programme together with the Council Briefing Forward Work Programme (previously circulated).


It was confirmed that a Special Council meeting would take place on 19 September 2019, for the appointment of the new Head of Finance.


15 October, 2019 – Corporate Governance Annual report to be added following being deferred at the meeting today.


RESOLVED that, subject to the above, the Council and Council Briefing Forward Work Programmes be approved and noted.





The meeting concluded at 12.05 p.m.


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