Agenda, decisions and draft minutes

Agenda, decisions and draft minutes

Venue: Council Chamber, County Hall, Ruthin and by video conference

Contact: Committee Administrator (KEJ)  Email: democratic@denbighshire.gov.uk

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WELCOME

The Chair introduced and welcomed Mr. Nashwan Fazlani to the meeting as the Licensing Committee’s Legal Advisor.

 

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APOLOGIES

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DECLARATION OF INTERESTS pdf icon PDF 118 KB

Members to declare any personal or prejudicial interests in any business identified to be considered at this meeting.

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URGENT MATTERS AS AGREED BY THE CHAIR

Notice of items which, in the opinion of the Chair, should be considered at the meeting as a matter of urgency pursuant to Section 100B(4) of the Local Government Act, 1972.

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MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING pdf icon PDF 388 KB

To receive the minutes of the Licensing Committee held on 5 June 2024 (copy enclosed).

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RESOLVED that the minutes of the meeting held on 5 June 2024 be received and confirmed as a correct record.

 

Minutes:

The minutes of the Licensing Committee held on 5 June 2024 were submitted.

 

RESOLVED that the minutes of the meeting held on 5 June 2024 be received and confirmed as a correct record.

 

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LICENSING COMMITTEE FORWARD WORK PROGRAMME 2024/25 pdf icon PDF 126 KB

To consider a report by the Head of Planning, Public Protection and Countryside Services (copy enclosed) on the priorities of the Licensing Section together with a revised forward work programme.

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RESOLVED that –

                    

(a)      the contents of the report be noted, and

 

(b)      the forward work programme for 2024/25 as detailed in Appendix A to the report be approved.

 

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The Senior Licensing Officer submitted a report (previously circulated) on the priorities of the Licensing Section together with an update on the agreed forward work programme for 2024/25.

 

The priorities of the Licensing Section reflected the duty placed on the authority in relation to its responsibilities for the licensing function and the effective regulation, control and enforcement of licensees, and the authority’s commitment to safer communities and the development of the economy.  The work programme had been drafted taking into account relevant policies and review dates together with any potential legislative changes proposed.

 

A number of items in the work programme had been rescheduled or removed and a revised work programme had been presented for members’ consideration.

 

An update was provided on those rescheduled/removed items which related to –

 

·       Hackney Carriage Tariff – at their last meeting members had agreed to retain the current fares and review the position in twelve months’ time (June 2025)

·       Special Procedures – no further update had been received on the report item

·       Wheelchair Accessible Vehicles – the item had been rescheduled to March 2025 to enable members to consider the results of the consultation on the review of licensing requirements.

 

Members noted the revisions to the forward work programme.

 

RESOLVED that –

                    

(a)      the contents of the report be noted, and

 

(b)      the forward work programme for 2024/25 as detailed in Appendix A to the report be approved.

 

EXCLUSION OF PRESS AND PUBLIC

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REVIEW OF A LICENCE TO DRIVE HACKNEY CARRIAGE AND PRIVATE HIRE VEHICLES - DRIVER NO. 507343

To consider a confidential report by the Head of Planning, Public Protection and Countryside Services (copy enclosed) seeking members’ review of a licence to drive hackney carriage and private hire vehicles in respect of Driver No. 507343.

9.45 am – 10.30 am

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RESOLVED that Driver No. 507343 was a fit and proper person to hold a Hackney Carriage and Private Hire Vehicle Driver’s Licence and that a formal written warning be issued in respect of the convictions obtained.

 

Minutes:

A confidential report by the Head of Planning, Public Protection and Countryside Services (previously circulated) was submitted upon –

 

(i)             the suitability of Driver No. 507343 to hold a licence to drive hackney carriage and private hire vehicles following convictions obtained in July 2024 for being a proprietor of a vehicle used as a private hire vehicle without a licence and using a motor vehicle on a road or public place without third party insurance;

 

(ii)            officers having referred the matter to the Licensing Committee for determination given the particular circumstances of the case;

 

(iii)          background information and associated documentation having been provided including details of the case summary and fine/penalty points imposed together with written submissions from the Driver including a supporting statement and character references;

 

(iv)          the Council’s policy with regard to the relevance of convictions and suitability of applicants and licensees, and

 

(v)           the Driver having been invited to attend the meeting in support of the licence review and to answer members’ questions thereon.

 

The Driver was in attendance in support of his licence review.

 

The Licensing Enforcement Officer (NS) submitted the report and facts of the case.

 

The Driver referred to his written submission which had been included within the report and expressed deep remorse over his actions, highlighted his previously longstanding good conduct, and provided assurances regarding his future conduct and lessons learned.  In response to questions, the Driver further elaborated on the circumstances surrounding the convictions and the reasoning behind his actions, acknowledging the consequences of those actions and poor judgement exercised on his part, and referred to steps he had taken since then to secure a second licensed vehicle in the event a similar situation occurred in the future.

 

In terms of a final statement the Driver confirmed he had nothing further to add.

 

The Committee adjourned to consider the case and it was –

 

RESOLVED that Driver No. 507343 was a fit and proper person to hold a Hackney Carriage and Private Hire Vehicle Driver’s Licence and that a formal written warning be issued in respect of the convictions obtained.

 

The reasons for the Licensing Committee’s decision were as follows –

 

Members had carefully considered the evidence before them in reaching their decision.  Whilst it was not open to the Committee to revisit the findings of the conviction, it was open to members to consider the general circumstances behind it in considering whether the Driver was a fit and proper person to hold a driver’s licence and/or any formal action to take in respect of it.

 

In accordance with relevant policy guidance and due to public safety being the paramount consideration for the licensing authority in respect of driver licences, members took the conviction seriously as it related to motor insurance.  This was a matter that members were extremely concerned with and found that the Driver displayed very poor judgement.  They considered that this conduct fell short of the high standards required by licensed drivers.

 

In reaching their decision members had placed significant weight on the Driver’s previous track record which they found to be exemplary.  Members were encouraged that the Driver had been fully co-operative with the Licensing Authorities involved.  They were also encouraged by the Driver’s full and frank admissions to the Licensing Officers and had placed significant weight on this factor in reaching their decision that the Driver remained a fit and proper person to hold a licence.

 

Furthermore, members were encouraged that since the conviction the Driver had taken steps to secure a second licensed vehicle which could be used if the Driver found himself in  ...  view the full minutes text for item 6.

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APPLICATION FOR A LICENCE TO DRIVE HACKNEY CARRIAGE AND PRIVATE HIRE VEHICLES - APPLICANT NO. 577925

To consider a confidential report by the Head of Planning, Public Protection and Countryside Services (copy enclosed) seeking members’ determination of an application to drive hackney carriage and private hire vehicles from Applicant No. 577925.

10.30 am – 11.30 am

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RESOLVED that Applicant No. 577925 was a fit and proper person to hold a Hackney Carriage and Private Hire Vehicle Driver’s Licence and that the application be granted subject to the satisfactory completion of all routine checks in connection with an application of this type and completion of the Knowledge Test to the required standard.

 

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A confidential report by the Head of Planning, Public Protection and Countryside Services (previously circulated) was submitted upon –

 

(i)             an application having been received from Applicant No. 577925 for a licence to drive hackney carriage and private hire vehicles;

 

(ii)            officers having referred the application to the Licensing Committee for determination given the particular circumstances of the case;

 

(iii)          the Applicant having obtained a conviction in November 2011 for conspiring/producing a controlled drug Class B cannabis together with motoring convictions obtained between July 2021 and December 2022 for speeding (currently six valid penalty points on his DVLA driving licence);

 

(iv)          background information and associated documentation having been provided relating to the case including details of the convictions obtained and the Applicant’s explanation of events, supporting personal statement and character reference from his current employer;

 

(v)           the Council’s policy with regard to the relevance of convictions and suitability of applicants and licensees, and

 

(vi)          the Applicant having been invited to attend the meeting in support of the application and to answer members’ questions thereon.

 

The Applicant was in attendance in support of his application.

 

The Licensing Enforcement Officer (NS) submitted the report and facts of the case.

 

The Applicant referred to his written submission contained within the report and also read out a pre-prepared written submission in support of his application in which he provided some context to the convictions obtained and his personal circumstances including his employment history to date and personal attributes with a view to demonstrating that he was a fit and proper person to hold a licence.

 

The Applicant responded to questions regarding his current employment which also involved transporting passengers together with other driving related work undertaken, the motivation behind his application, and further details relating to his convictions, mitigation, rehabilitation and subsequent good conduct and character.

 

Officers also responded to questions confirming that the conviction obtained in November 2011 would be considered spent in November 2024.  In the event that members were minded to grant the application it would be subject to the satisfactory completion of the knowledge test and usual routine checks.

 

In terms of a final statement the Driver confirmed he had nothing further to add.

 

The Committee adjourned to consider the application and it was –

 

RESOLVED that Applicant No. 577925 was a fit and proper person to hold a Hackney Carriage and Private Hire Vehicle Driver’s Licence and that the application be granted subject to the satisfactory completion of all routine checks in connection with an application of this type and completion of the Knowledge Test to the required standard.

 

The reasons for the Licensing Committee’s decision were as follows –

 

Members had carefully considered the evidence before them and had deliberated at length before finally reaching their decision.

 

The Committee considered that the Applicant had been convicted for a serious drug related offence and this conviction itself was given significant weight given that the overriding aim of a licensing authority when carrying out its functions relating to the licensing of drivers was protection of the public.  It also found this a serious matter pursuant to their policy guidance concerning drugs related offences.

 

Members considered the policy guidance which stated that a licence must not be granted until 10 years after the completion of a sentence for a drug related offence.  However, members decided to depart from guidance on this aspect given the short length of time until 10 years post-completion.  Members considered it had been a long amount of time since the conviction and sentence and that the Applicant had subsequently taken steps to rehabilitate himself and were  ...  view the full minutes text for item 7.