Agenda and draft minutes
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DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST PDF 116 KB Members to declare any personal or prejudicial interests in
any business identified to be considered at this meeting. Additional documents: Minutes: Councillor Gwyneth Kensler – Personal and Prejudicial Interest – Agenda items 5 and 6. Councillor Meirick Lloyd Davies – Personal Interest – Agenda item 12 Councillor Huw Jones – Personal Interest – Agenda item 7 Councillor Mabon AP Gwynfor – Personal Interest – Agenda item 7 |
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URGENT MATTERS AS AGREED BY THE CHAIR Notice of items which, in the opinion of the Chair, should
be considered at the meeting as a matter of urgency pursuant to Section 100B(4)
of the Local Government Act, 1972. Additional documents: Minutes: No urgent matters. |
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To confirm the accuracy of the minutes of the Planning
Committee meeting held on the 15 November 2017 (copy attached). Additional documents: Minutes: The minutes of the Planning Committee meeting held on 15 November,
2017 were submitted. RESOLVED that the minutes
of the meeting held on 15 November 2017 be approved as a correct record. |
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APPLICATIONS FOR PERMISSION FOR DEVELOPMENT (ITEMS 5-14) Applications received requiring determination by the
Committee were submitted together with associated documentation. Reference was also made to late supplementary
information received since publication of the Agenda which related to particular
applications. In order to accommodate
public speaking requests, it was agreed to vary the Agenda order of
applications accordingly. Additional documents: |
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APPLICATION NO. 21/2017/0957- 4 Bryn Artro Avenue, Llanferres, Mold PDF 5 KB To consider an application for the erection of replacement dwelling at 4 Bryn Artro Avenue, Llanferres, Mold. Additional documents: Minutes: An application was
submitted for the erection of replacement dwelling at 4 Bryn Artro Avenue, Llanferres, Mold. Public Speaker – Mr Bob Barton (Against) – stated he had been a member of
Llanferres Community Council and had been present at
the Community meeting when this planning application had been discussed. Mr
Barton informed the committee he had previously served on the Planning
Committee during 2004-2008 and had recently attended a Planning Aid Wales
course to refresh his training. Mr Barton informed members he had quoted the
Residential Development SPG in his letter of objection but this was not
included on the blue information sheets. He concluded that he felt a 300mm gap
was inadequate. From his previous training it was considered important to leave
a 1m gap to allow adequate room for emergency services to have access and
manoeuvre. General Debate - In the absence of the Local member Councillor
Martyn Holland, Councillor Julian Thompson-Hill stated the local member had no
objection to the application stating ideally he would have liked to seen the
750mm distance between the properties run the length of the dwellings, but
appreciated the significance of the extant planning permission for a
dwelling. Councillor Meirick
Lloyd Davies stated the rear of the property the distance at the rear door was
currently 950mm and asked officers if it could be increased to 1m, for better
access to the rear entrance to the property. The Development
Officer highlighted information on the blue sheet, guiding members to
information regarding the previous planning permission at the same site. The
Development Officer informed members that officers were satisfied with the
application as it was proposed. Proposal – Councillor Peter Evans proposed, seconded by Councillor Bob Murray that
the application be granted in accordance with officer recommendation. VOTE: GRANT – 19 REFUSE – 0 ABSTAIN – 0 RESOLVED that
permission be GRANTED in accordance
with officer recommendation as stipulated in the report. |
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APPLICATION NO. 46/2017/0944- Queensland House, The Roe, St Asaph PDF 6 KB To consider an application for retention of existing sheds used as a workshop (B1 light industrial use)
and for personal use (retrospective application) at Queensland House, The Roe,
St Asaph.
Additional documents: Minutes: An application was
submitted for the retention of existing sheds used as a workshop (B1 light
industrial use) and for personal use at Queensland House, The Roe, St Asaph. Public Speaker – Mr Philip Hellyer (For) –
stated he was representing his son Mr Peter Hellyer
the applicant. He explained Mr Peter Hellyer has no
plans to expand his business from what already exists. Activities that took
place at the site generate minimal noise and for short periods of time. A noise
management plan would be obtained in the requested time scale and in support of
this, noise insulation would be investigated by the applicant. No painting work
was carried out at the premises. The agreed hours of working will be adhered
to. Exceptional circumstances to carry out work on Sundays and bank holidays
had been requested for customers who may be travelling a distance. General Debate – The Local Member, Councillor Peter Scott, put
forward his views in supporting the application. It was explained to members
that in acknowledging objections from the city Council, there were no members
of the public in objection to the application. The addition of a tenth
condition and amendments to the application conditions following a site visit
had been proposed to be included in the application. Councillor Scott stated he
had no objection in the application subject to all conditions being met. Councillor Meirick
Lloyd Davies, stated following the site visit he was happy to support the
application. The Development
Manager clarified to members that the condition was for work to be carried out
between Mondays to Saturday 08:00-18:00 hours. Proposal – Councillor Peter Scott proposed, seconded by Councillor Meirick Lloyd
Davies that the application be granted in accordance with officer
recommendation subject to the additional conditions. VOTE: GRANT – 18 REFUSE – 0 ABSTAIN – 1 RESOLVED that
permission be GRANTED in accordance with
officer recommendation subject to the conditions imposed. |
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APPLICATION NO. 23/2016/1218- Caer Mynydd Caravan Park, Saron, Denbigh PDF 6 KB To consider an application for extension of existing Holiday Park to allow for the siting of 35 Static Holiday Caravans in lieu of 41 Mixed Touring Pitches with the relinquishing of the northern element of the par at Caer Mynydd Caravan Park, Saron, Denbigh. Additional documents: Minutes: Councillor Meirick
Lloyd Davies declared a personal interest as he had family buried in Saron Chapel Cemetery and had historic connections to the
village. At this junction,
the Chair Councillor Joe Welch stated as Local Member he would be speaking
regarding the proposal. He decided he would vacate the Chair for this
application. The Vice-Chair,
Councillor Alan James took over the Chair of the Planning Committee for this
one item. An application was
submitted for the extension of existing Holiday Park to allow for the siting of
35 Static Holiday Caravans in lieu of 41 Mixed Touring Pitches with the
relinquishing of the northern element of the park, at Caer
Mynydd Caravan Park, Saron,
Denbigh. Public Speaker – Mr Philip Jones (For) stated he was the applicant’s agent. He informed Members the
park has been in place for nearly 50 years and benefits the local economy, it
was the opinion of the applicant the proposal would benefit the local area. The
applicant stated a Visual Impact assessment had been completed. The applicant
stated that additional landscaping would be incorporated if approved to aid in
improving the visual impact. He also stated the applicant was aware of the
conditions that had been imposed on the application and would adhere to comply,
if the application was approved. General Debate - The Local Member, Councillor Joe Welch,
introduced the report stating the application had been in discussion for a
period of time. Councillor Welch
emphasised the surrender of the Northern side of the park moving the business
away from local residents. The Community Council and residents of Saron expressed concerns regarding the running of the Park,
noise levels, drainage issues and that the Park being used for residential use.
Councillor Welch referred to Policy PSE12 regarding changing the use of sites,
which opposed changing a touring site to a static site. Councillor Christine
Marston stated that having attended the site panel meeting, the spread out
nature of the site would benefit from having all caravans on one site away from
the village. The Development
Officer made reference to the Condition 12 and 13 on the late information sheet
which accommodated Natural Resources Wales comments. The Officer explained that
drainage would have to be completed prior to the use of any additional static caravans. The onus
would be on the owners and occupiers of the Park to maintain a record of
individual stays at the park. Officers would communicate with oneanother and ensure other organisations are aware of
individuals who may be using the caravan site as permanent residency. With regard to policy PSE12 the policy
purpose included protecting the natural landscape and visual impact. Officers
felt the level of landscaping proposed was of a satisfactory level. Members
were informed that if planning is granted the Licence holder would have to
apply for a new licence. Proposal – Councillor Ellie Chard proposed, seconded by Councillor Pat Jones that
the application be granted in accordance with officer recommendation with the
inclusion of the conditions and that the application containing the drainage
detailing would be brought to Committee. VOTE: GRANT – 14 REFUSE – 0 ABSTAIN – 2 RESOLVED, that
permission be GRANTED in accordance
with officer recommendation with the inclusion of the additional conditions and
a drainage report brought back to planning Committee. |
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At this juncture
(10.45 a.m.) there was a 15 minute beak. The meeting
reconvened at 11.00 a.m. At this juncture, the Chair Councillor Joe Welch retook his seat to continue with the remainder of the meeting. |
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APPLICATION NO. 01/2017/0901 - Denbigh Museum, Grove Road, Denbigh PDF 6 KB To consider an application for alterations and extension to form new entrances together with ancillary
works including new signage and demolition of external stairs at Denbigh
Museum, Grove Road, Denbigh. Additional documents: Minutes: [As applicant,
Councillor Gwyneth Kensler declared a personal and prejudicial interest in this
item and left the meeting during consideration of the application] An application was
submitted for alternations and extension to form new entrances together with
ancillary works including new signage and the demolition of external stairs for
Denbigh Museum, Grove Road Denbigh. Proposal - Councillor Merfyn Parry proposed the officer recommendations to grant
the application, seconded by Councillor Alan James. VOTE: GRANT – 15 REFUSE – 0 ABSTAIN – 0 RESOLVED
that permission be GRANTED in
accordance with officer recommendations as stipulated within the report. |
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APPLICATION NO. 01/2017/0902- Denbigh Museum, Grove Road, Denbigh PDF 5 KB To consider an application for conservation area consent for the demolition of external stairs at Denbigh Museum, Grove Road, Denbigh. Additional documents: Minutes: [As applicant,
Councillor Gwyneth Kensler declared a personal and prejudicial interest in this
item and left the meeting during consideration of the application] An application was
submitted for Conservation area consent for the demolition of external stairs
at Denbigh Museum, Grove Road, Denbigh. Proposal – Councillor Ellie Chard proposed the officer recommendations to grant
the application, seconded by Councillor Pat Jones. VOTE: GRANT – 15 REFUSE – 0 ABSTAIN – 0 RESOLVED
that permission be GRANTED in
accordance with officer recommendations as stipulated within the report. |
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To consider an application for the erection of 1no. dwelling and associated works at Land at (Part garden of) Pen Y Dalar, Godrer Coed, Cynwyd, Corwen. Additional documents: Minutes: Councillor Huw Jones
declared a Personal interest in this agenda item as members of his family had
submitted objections to the application. Councillor Jones decided he did not
wish to take part in the debate and excused himself for this agenda item. Councillor Mabon ap Gwynfor, Local member declared
a personal interest as he had worked with the applicant. An application was
submitted for the erection of 1no. dwelling and
associated works at Pen Y Dalar (part garden), Godrer Coed Cynwyd,
Corwen. General debate - the Local Member, Councillor Mabon ap Gwynfor stated he was in support of the application as
housing in the village is highly sought . He
acknowledged the objections received regarding the application. In his opinion
the development of an additional dwelling would benefit local residents. Proposal – Councillor Gwyneth Kensler proposed the officer recommendations to
grant the application, seconded by Councillor Ellie Chard. VOTE: GRANT – 15 REFUSE – 0 ABSTAIN – 0 RESOLVED
that permission be GRANTED in
accordance with officer recommendations as stipulated within the report. |
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To consider an application for a variation of condition no. 3 of planning permission code no. 15/2011/0651
to allow alternative static caravan units to be sited within the approved
extended caravan park at Land south of and including Parc Farm Caravan Park,
Graianrhyd Road, Llanarmon-Yn-Ial, Mold. Additional documents: Minutes: An application was
submitted for a variation of condition no.3 of planning permission code no.
15/2011/0651, to allow alternative static caravan units to be sited at the Land
south of and including Parc Farm Caravan Park, Graianrhyd Road, Llanarmon- Yn-Ial, Mold. General debate- Councillor Julian Thompson- Hill on behalf of
local member Martyn Holland advised that he had no objection in the application
and was happy to support the variation. Councillor Gwyneth
Kensler requested that the word ‘Current’ be included in the wording of the
condition to be imposed, in line with Officer Recommendation. Proposal - Councillor Julian Thompson-Hill proposed the officer recommendation
with the inclusion of the word ‘current’ in the wording of the condition to be
attached. The proposal was seconded by Councillor Alan James. VOTE: GRANT – 16 REFUSE – 0 ABSTAIN – 0 RESOLVED
that permission be GRANTED in
accordance with officer recommendations with the inclusion of ‘Current’ in the
variation of condition no. 3 as stipulated within the report. |
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APPLICATION NO. 15/2017/0893- Parc Farm Holiday Park, Llanarmon Yn Ial, Mold PDF 6 KB To consider an application for the erection of a boundary wall with inset sign and display area at Parc Farm Holiday Park, Llanarmon Yn Ial, Mold. Additional documents: Minutes: An application was
submitted for the erection of a boundary wall with inset sign and display area
at Parc Farm Holiday Park, Llanarmon
Yn Ial, Mold. General debate- Councillor Julian Thompson- Hill on behalf of
local member Martyn Holland introduced the application. He stated Councillor
Holland had concerns the signage on the application was too large for the
nature of this development. Councillor Merfyn
Parry stated he had no concerns on the application, however asked that the sign
be made bilingual with the same sized fonts used. Councillor Christine
Marston questioned the site of the proposed signage. She asked if the sign was
at the entrance or slightly away from the property. The Development
Officer confirmed the font size of the signage could be included as a condition
to the application. Officers stated they were satisfied both from a visual and
a highway perspective the application would have no negative implications.
Clarification was given that the sign was 150m away from the entrance to the
site. It was confirmed
that if refusal of consent was being considered, concerns of members regarding
impact on visual amenity were a relevant ground for refusal. Proposal - Councillor Gwyneth Kensler proposed, seconded by Councillor Ellie Chard
that the application be granted but with an additional condition which stated
that the fonts in both Welsh and English be the same size. VOTE: GRANT – 14 REFUSE – 2 ABSTAIN – 0 RESOLVED
that permission be GRANTED in
accordance with the officer recommendation subject to the additional condition: The bilingual signage to be of equal font
size. |
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To consider an application for the development of 1.24 ha of land by the erection of a new primary school including external play areas, habitat area, formation of new vehicular access, car parking with drop off area, landscaping, bin store, LPG and sprinkler tanks and associated pedestrian links at Glebe Land Opposite Bron Y Clwyd, Llanfair Dyffryn Clwyd, Ruthin.
Additional documents: Minutes: An application was
submitted for the development of 1.24ha of land by the erection of a new
primary school including external play areas, habitat are, formation of new
vehicular access, car park with drop off area, landscaping, bin store, LPG and
sprinkler tanks at Glebe Land opposite Bron Y Clwyd,
Llanfair Dyffryn Clwyd, Ruthin. General Debate – Councillor Julian Thompson-Hill gave
apologies on behalf of Local Member Hugh Evans and introduced the application
to members. Councillor Thompson- Hill stated that the Local Member would have
been speaking in favour of the proposal. Councillor Huw Jones
questioned the reasoning why LPG had been requested as part of the application.
Councillor Gwyneth Kensler proposed the use of renewable energy sources to
supply energy should be adopted where possible. Members agreed the
need for the school in the area and the need to provide a safe route for
pedestrians to access the school. The Development
Officer confirmed that there was no mains gas in the vicinity of the site.
Communication was ongoing with departments and contractors regarding supply in
the area. With regard to the use of renewable energy resources the officer
confirmed he would feed back to Education and design departments to ensure
awareness of members concerns. Proposal - Councillor Emrys Wynne proposed, seconded by Councillor Alan James that
the application be granted in accordance with officer recommendation. VOTE: GRANT – 16 REFUSE – 0 ABSTAIN – 0 RESOLVED that
permission be GRANTED in accordance
with officer recommendations as stipulated in the report. |
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APPLICATION NO. 45/2017/1029- Land at Greenfield Place, Rhyl PDF 6 KB To consider an application for variation of condition no. 6 of planning permission code no. 45/2001/0562 to allow a 2 hour free parking period followed by charging at Land at Greenfield Place, Rhyl. Additional documents: Minutes: An application for a
variation of condition no.6 of planning permission code no. 45/2001/0562 to
allow 2 hour free parking period followed by charging. General Debate – Local Member Pat Jones and Pete Prendergast
expressed objections against the introduction of charging consumers. Both
Councillors felt that 2 hours would not be long enough and a 3 hour free stay
should be adopted. Local residents opposed the application. Proposal – Councillor Pat Jones proposed to refuse the application, seconded by
Councillor Bob Murray as it would be detrimental to Rhyl Town Centre and server
links to the town. The Development
Officer made reference to the appeal in progress in relation to the recent
refusal of an application to charge for parking at the site. If this
application was refused for the same reason as the previous application the
applicant can appeal the decision. VOTE: GRANT – 8 REFUSE – 7 ABSTAIN – 1 RESOLVED
that permission be GRANTED in
accordance with the officer recommendation as stipulated in the report. |
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To consider a report to seek a resolution from Members on the planning conditions to be attached to the Certificate of Decision for planning application ref: 16/2017/0628, granted planning permission at the November 2017 meeting of the Committee. Additional documents:
Minutes: A report was
submitted seeking a resolution on planning conditions to be attached to
planning application no. 16/2017/0628. Proposal- Councillor Mark Young proposed the suggested conditions be attached to
the planning permission, seconded by Councillor Merfyn Parry. VOTE: GRANT – 15 REFUSE – 0 ABSTAIN – 0 RESOLVED
that – the suggested Conditions be attached to Planning application
16/2017/0628 as stipulated in the report.
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MEMBER/OFFICER PROTOCOL - COMMUNICATION ON MAJOR APPLICATIONS PDF 103 KB To consider a report to introduce a new internal protocol document for the handling of major development proposals within the County. Additional documents: Minutes: A report was
submitted introducing the internal protocol document for the handling of major
development proposals within the County. The Development
Officer clarified that the major planning applications can be complicated, the
new protocol document was designed to ensure a consistent approach to
communication, which can be amended as required. Councillor Huw Jones
stated in his experience the protocol had been used successfully. Councillor
Jones asked Officers how the protocol document would be made available to
members and Officers. Councillor Gwyneth
Kensler raised concerns regarding how a decision on a Non material amendment
application had been taken. The Development
Officer informed members if a decision was made to adopt the protocol, a link
to all members would be sent and a link online would be made available.
Training would be provided to Members in a future formal member training
session. Clarification that
specific criteria within planning legislation for what would be a Non Material
Amendment to a planning application was given. Communication with Local Members
regarding Non Material Amendment applications would take place outlining the
proposal and agreeing the approach to a determination. It was explained
that the protocol is in place to encourage communication between officers and
Local Members at the earliest stage right through the application stage until
the end of the development. Members can refer to the protocol to raise
questions and concerns to officers. Following a
unanimous show of hands, it was RESOLVED
that, the contents of the protocol document be noted and the protocol document
for use of major development proposals be implemented with immediate effect. |
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To consider a
report updating members on issues arising in relation to the consideration of
planning applications from the publication of Welsh Government’s Technical
Advice Note 20 (TAN 20): Planning and the Welsh Language in October 2017. Additional documents: Minutes: A report was
submitted to update members on issues in relation to the consideration of
planning applications from the publication of Welsh Government’s Technical
Advice Note 20 (TAN20): Planning and the Welsh Language in October 2017. The Principal
Planning Officer introduced the report updating members on issues arising in
relation to the consideration of planning applications from the publication of
Welsh Government’s Technical Advice Note 20 (TAN 20): Planning and the Welsh
Language in October 2017. Officers suggested
the introduction of TAN 20 will have an impact on the implementation of the
relevant policy in the current development plan, as its approach to assessment
of impacts on the Welsh language was different to that in RD5. The Principal
Planning officer explained that TAN 20 did not consider it necessary when
assessing applications within development boundaries on allocated sites that
there was a requirement for a Welsh Language assessment to be carried out, as
assessment of impacts would have been carried out by the authority as part of
the Local Development Plan (LDP) process in the form of a sustainability
assessment. With applications that are within the definition of ‘windfall
sites’ and are not on an allocated site, a Welsh Language assessment would
still be required. Councillor Emrys
Wynne stated he felt that the Council Policy would be superior to the TAN 20
policy set out by Welsh Government. He felt inconsistencies could be observed
within the Welsh Government’s proposal. The Development
Officer informed members on applications not in an allocated sites or within
the development boundary with more than 10 dwellings then both TAN 20 and RD%
would be relevant. Communication with developers will still take place to
encourage submission of
Welsh Language impact assessments when making relevant planning
applications. It was suggested that when reviewing the new LDP members could align the plan to work
alongside TAN 20 including any updates members requested. Councillor Emrys
Wynne asked that when reviewing the LDP members debate the need for Welsh
language assessments in the context of TAN 20.
Proposal - Councillor Peter Evans proposed, seconded by Councillor Alan James that
the report contents be noted, and approved the approach to assessment of
impacts of planning applications on the Welsh Language be undertaken in
accordance with TAN 20 pending further debate and review of the LDP and policy
RD5. VOTE: GRANT – 15 REFUSE – 0 ABSTAIN - 0 RESOLVED
that, the contents of the report be noted, that TAN 20 be implemented with
further debate when reviewing the LDP and Policy RD5. |
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ROYAL TOWN PLANNING INSTITUTE (RTPI) WALES PLANNING AWARD 2017 PDF 106 KB To receive an information report to alert Planning Committee to the news that, at the RTPI Cymru annual dinner held in Cardiff on 17th November 2017, the new Rhyl High School project won the prestigious Wales Planning Award for 2017. Additional documents: Minutes: An information
report was submitted to inform Planning Committee of the news that, at the
Royal Town Planning Institute Cymru annual dinner,
the new Rhyl High School project won the prestigious Wales Planning Award for
2017. The Chair praised
officers involved in the project and offered his Congratulations on the award. RESOLVED that
Members noted the contents of the report. |
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At this juncture,
Councillor Merfyn Parry raised concerns regarding the recent Brookhouse development appeal. He stated a lot of work had been undertaken
regarding the proposal. Councillor Parry asked if members could question the
outcome of the appeal. The Development
Officer informed members that it was possible to challenge the inspectorate’s
decision but the scope was limited to challenge on a point of law. In respect
of the claim for costs, this would be scrutinised before coming to an
agreement. If an agreement cannot be made, the case would be referred to the
Senior Court Costs Claim Officer to investigate. Planning Officers would bring
a detailed report back to the Planning Committee to discuss and
scrutinise. The Chair wished
officers and members a merry Christmas and all the best for the New Year. The meeting concluded at 12.35 p.m. |